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		<title>“The Auteur Theory of Comics” by Arlen Schumer</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Text adapted from the visual presentation at the New York Comic Con panel, Saturday, October 15th, 2011. The recent court loss for the Jack Kirby estate in its battle with Disney, Marvel’s corporate owner, over copyright/ownership of the Marvel characters, &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4363">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Text adapted from the visual presentation at the New York Comic Con panel, Saturday, October 15th, 2011.</p>
<p>The recent court loss for the Jack Kirby estate in its battle with Disney, Marvel’s corporate owner, over copyright/ownership of the Marvel characters, revealed Stan Lee’s testimony as being the usual lynchpin in deciding the case in his, and Marvel’s, favor, that testimony essentially promulgating the same misconception that he, not Kirby, was the true author of the Marvel Universe by dint of his salaried role as editor and writer, and Kirby’s professional status as a work-for-hire employee. This misconception ignores the actual role Kirby played in the actual creation of those seminal comic books, as the auteur—author in French—of their stories. “Auteur” in the way Franco-cinemaphiles in the 1950s—first Francois Truffaut in the journal Cahiers du Cinema, and then American counterparts like The Village Voice’s film critic Andrew Harris—postulated their Auteur Theory of Film, that a film’s director, and not the screenwriter, as was previously thought, was a film’s true author.</p>
<p>So too can the Auteur Theory of Film be accurately applied to the “Marvel Method” of comic book authorship, innovated by Lee, who gave his artists (originally and primarily Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko) anything from a typed synopsis of a story to a verbal springboard of an idea—the equivalent of the screenplay in film—and the artists drew out/plotted/staged/paced the story visually to fill the page count given, using two-dimensional versions of the same tools and devices a movie director uses to craft a film: casting, editing, lighting, sound, choreography—after which Lee would add the dialogue and captions to the artists’ work.</p>
<p>Stan’s interviews from the ‘60s, which stand in contrast, and somewhat of a contradiction, to his testimony in this case, were submitted in documents—eventually thrown out by the judge—during the testimony of Kirby experts John Morrow (publisher of The Jack Kirby Collector) and Mark Evanier (Kirby’s biographer); here’s an example:</p>
<p>“I would tell Jack the main idea that I wanted, and then we would talk about it, and we’d come up with something. I would give him the outline for the story. As we went on, and we had been working together for years, the outlines I gave him were skimpier and skimpier. I might say something like: ‘In this story let’s have Dr. Doom kidnap Sue Storm, and the Fantastic Four has to go out and rescue them. And in the end, Dr. Doom does this and that.’ And that might have been all I would tell him for a 20-page story. If the book was 20 pages long, I’d receive back 20 beautifully drawn pages in pencil which told a story. Jack would just put in all the details and everything. And then it was—I enjoyed that. It was like doing a crossword puzzle. I get the panels back, and I have to put in the dialogue and make it all tie together. So we worked well together that way for years.”</p>
<p>Ergo it was the artists who were the actual storytellers, not “just” the artists, with Lee, of Marvel Comics, like the directors of films have been considered the true authors of their films for over 50 years now, entitled to the benefits of credit and copyright protection of their films.<br />
At the same time, this is not to deny Lee’s co-authorship and creatorship of Marvel Comics—he deserves exactly 50% of the credit, for his absolutely crucial contributions as editor/writer/art director/salesman and spokesman—but not a percent more or percent less. The sad fact of the matter is that Lee has successfully campaigned throughout his post-working relationships with Kirby and Ditko to create the perception—and therefore the “reality”—that he was the 100%, primary, sole creator of the Marvel Universe, relegating Kirby, specifically, to the historically demeaning role of the artist as merely a “pair of hands,” a “wrist” who robotically drew up Lee’s scripts, the only “theory”/process of comic book creation the judge was presented with.</p>
<p>(Comic creators like Will Eisner and Jim Steranko, who both write and draw their own work, are not germane to this discussion; they’re already 100% creators of their works. The Auteur Theory in both film and comics, as I’m applying it, pertains to those directors and comic artists who did/do not write their movies or comics, but collaborate with screenplay writers or comic writers; by dint of the act of directing a film, and drawing a comic book story, the director and the artist are the true authors/auteurs of their respective final product. The comic book works of writers like Alan Moore and Harvey Kurtzman are trickier to evaluate; for who is the auteur of Moore and artist Dave Gibbons’ Watchmen? Who is the auteur of Two Fisted Tales/Frontline/Mad? Because both Moore and Kurtzman functioned as much as art directors as writers—Moore verbally with his notorious panel descriptions and Kurtzman visually with his layouts—they’re legitimate exceptions. The overarching concept of the Auteur Theory of Comics is that it applies to any artist who does the visualizing of a comic book story, because the act of illustrating a comic book script—whether old-school full-script “DC style,” “Marvel style,” or whatever style—makes that artist a de facto auteur of the final “product” and therefore a de facto 50/50 co-creator of the work.)</p>
<p>The Marvel Method comic-creation working relationship of Lee &amp; Kirby operated, in actuality, more like the Beatles’ Lennon &amp; McCartney songwriting team; just as the early Lee/Kirby Fantastic Fours were closer to true 50/50 collaborations (see Lee’s 1960’s interview recollections and typed script/synopsis for FF #1), so too were Lennon/McCartney’s initial songs together. But as the years went on, Beatles songs became more often de facto solo projects, like McCartney’s “Yesterday,” or his “Hey Jude,” in which Lennon’s lyric, “The movement you need is on your shoulder,” is his sole contribution—essentially no different than Lee suggesting to Kirby in ’65 to have the FF fight a really big villain, and Kirby coming up with the entire Galactus/Silver Surfer trilogy (as in penciling the entire story out, and writing dialogue bits and notes in the margins). Since every Beatle song could never be perfectly quantified as to who did what, John and Paul decided early on to credit their Beatles songs to an across-the-board 50/50 split, “Lennon &amp; McCartney,” making it easier to share in the real world of publishing credit and royalties. That’s how Lee should’ve worked with Kirby, who did the heavy lifting of actually “telling” the stories so that Lee could “write” multiple comics—the practical, economic imperative behind perhaps the greatest storytelling breakthrough in comic book history.</p>
<p>“That whole thing that he and Jack started was strictly for expediency because he didn’t have the scripts ready. That’s the reason. It was not done out of any stroke of genius, it was done out of expedience. Jack would call up and say, ‘Stan, I didn’t get the story yet, or the script” and Stan would say, “Ok, what I’m going to do is describe the first five or six pages in action for you, do them without words and when you send them in I’ll put the words in.’ That’s how it grew into the Marvel method of art first and script second. It was like sunlight had come into the room because this was a visual medium that had become a verbal medium for fifty ears, and suddenly it was the visual medium that it had intended to be in the first place. I think that the biggest thing Stan and Jack contributed to the industry was that. Visual first was a huge step forward; it was like a quantum leap.”<br />
—John Romita</p>
<p>Yet despite this grand recollection, Stan always took full writer’s pay, while artists like Romita were never remunerated for their co-plotting and de facto writing. The most egregious example of this practice taken to an absurd degree is the famous Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD #1 (June ’68) opening sequence written and illustrated by Jim Steranko, whom Stan didn’t want to pay as a writer because, according to Steranko, “…there were no words on the pages”! This myopia of Lee speaks not only to the primacy of word over image in both the lay public’s and the average comic reader’s—and creator’s—minds, but to the misunderstanding of the entire process of visual storytelling in comics, where the artist has control over sound as well as lighting and staging of a writer’s words; If he feels a sequence in the story can best be told silently, as in film or television, he has that paint in his palette. Theoretically, if Stan himself had written that SHIELD story—even traditionally, in full-script, with the dialogue he would’ve preferred—the auteurship of that sequence would still be Steranko’s!</p>
<p>Because the artist in comics has always been the auteur of the comic book reading experience, due primarily to the primacy of the visuals themselves; or, as artist Gil Kane put it once: “The only thing that makes comics worth reading is the art.” And Gene Colan said: “Every story I ever drew was like being the director of a film.” These simple statements are part and parcel of the Auteur Theory of Comics, the elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge: that in the verbal/visual medium known as comic books, the visual creation of a story is a de facto act of co-creation (and therefore morally and ethically entitled to all the legal benefits of co-creatorship).</p>
<p>Take the origin story, probably the most important component establishing the legal provenance of a comic character. Lee has always maintained, in court and out, that he created the character concepts first, and thus “created” them fully. But there was a little-known “character concept” bandied about for 15 years, called “Spiderman,” that didn’t become a copyrightable/trademarkable/successful character until artist Steve Ditko put pencil to paper and created the “Spider-Man” we know of, of stage, screen, comics, merchandise and de facto logo of Marvel, as the mouse ears are to Disney. As Ditko’s iconic Spider-Man “self-portrait” implies, a comic book “creation” isn’t fully “created” until an artist visualizes his own or a writer’s idea/synopsis/script. Which begs the question: was Stan Lee’s verbal origin story of Spider-Man more “important” in the overall/eventual success of the character than the greatest costume design in the history of comic book superheroes by Steve Ditko?</p>
<p>Are Gaines’ and Feldstein’s overwritten captions and word balloons to those classic EC Comics more “important” to their renown than the golden-age-of-illustration artwork that conformed to their prepared panels?</p>
<p>Are Bob Haney’s great 1968-69 Brave &amp; Bold stories more “important” than the auteurism of Neal Adams’ artwork/storytelling, in which he changed all of Haney’s daytime scenes to night, just as a director of a film might alter the screenplay to more effectively work on the screen, not the printed page as the screenwriter wrote it?</p>
<p>Are Marv Wolman’s Tomb of Dracula concepts/writing/dialoguing more “important” to that ‘70s success story than the auteurist, atmospheric artwork/storytelling of Colan/Palmer?</p>
<p>When I was reading those Batman reprints from the ‘50s in those eighty-page annuals during the ‘60s, I was entertained by a raft of reprints, all uncredited, as was the DC policy then. So why did the stories illustrated by (we later found out) the great Dick Sprang stand out from the surrounding hackwork of Bob Kane ghosts? Because, despite working from complete scripts and tight editorial control (just like that of the Hollywood movie studios) Sprang’s confident, direct, exaggerated qualities that we came to love about Sprang made every story he illustrated a “Dick Sprang story,” no matter whether Edmond Hamilton or Bill Finger or whomever wrote them, because Sprang was the auteur of those Batman stories—just as the great film directors Hitchcock, Hawks and Ford, who worked from others’ screenplays within an extremely collaborative/edited/oft-censored medium, with producer control no better or worse than comic book artists had to deal with (and are still dealing with), were later declared auteurs of their films by the French film theorists.</p>
<p>Like film, comics are a synchronistic collaboration of words and pictures, ergo any form of a verbal script is only half of the art form known as the “comic book”—whether it’s as brief as Lee’s capsule directives to Kirby, or as extensively detailed as Alan Moore’s panel exegeses for Gibbons to follow in Watchmen.</p>
<p>To those who still damn Gibbons with faint praise for Watchmen’s success because, to one online poster, “a raccoon could have drawn that story and it would have been awesome,” Watchmen is, indeed, a 50/50 collaboration no matter how you parse Moore’s and Gibbons’ individual contributions, and good luck to you if you’re going to try—it’ll always be purely subjective. Moore’s Watchmen script is only worth what someone’s willing to pay to read it in its original form, just like screenplays to films are available to those who want to read them—but neither are complete artistic entities on their own. Moore himself would be the first one to admit that all of his comic book collaborations, with a who’s who of artistic greats like Eddie Campbell, Brian Bolland and Bill Sienkiewicz are equivalent in their contributions of words and pictures (hence Moore’s equitable sharing of both the legal and financials of each property). And to further diminish the line of “reasoning” that Gibbons’ “contribution” to Watchmen was somehow minimized by Moore’s gargantuan talent, imagine what a less-cerebral 2000 AD artist than Gibbons would’ve done with Moore’s Watchmen scripts—or what an average Marvel artist like Don Heck would have done with Lee’s “Have the FF fight a really big villain” idea, or what kind of costume artist Larry Lieber would’ve designed for Spider-Man!</p>
<p>There is a reason that Alan Moore gets more credit from the general public for Watchmen than Gibbons does; it’s why Stan also gets more credit than Jack. Literary criticism far outweighs visual/art criticism in terms of both column inches and overall impact and ubiquity, with far more literature courses taught in universities than art history. And because the graphic novel and serious criticism of comics as a visual/literary hybrid are still relatively recent—and even then, because most comics fans are not visually literate enough to actually discuss the artistic merits (and faults) of comic book art to the same degree that they discuss story/character, comics criticism pretty much follows the standard story/characters discussion, with a backhanded compliment of the “art chores” usually falling to the penultimate paragraph of most comics reviews. Combined with the fact that both the lay and comic audiences know far more about traditional “art”—painting and sculpture, and now computer graphics—than they know about how comic book art is actually produced, and you have the current situation, in which Stan Lee is thought of as both the writer/creator and the artist of Marvel Comics! Want proof? From a recent issue of Comic Shop News (#1259), by Cliff Biggers &amp; Ward Batty in cooperation with newsarama.com:</p>
<p>“Comics icon Stan Lee, creator of the Mighty Marvel Universe and characters such as Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, X-Men, and Iron Man…”</p>
<p>Think of this Auteur Theory of Comics being the testimony in defense of Kirby that could have/should have followed Lee’s entirely self-serving testimony, enlightening the court, the media covering the trial, comic book readers and the general public to truly understand, maybe for the first time, the role of the artist in the de facto co-creation of a comic book work, and to the truth of the Marvel Method in actual practice, asserting an artist of the magnitude of Jack “King” Kirby his morally and ethically rightful place as the auteur of the Marvel Comics Universe.</p>
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		<title>My Sixth Anniversary</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With this month my blog has reached its sixth anniversary. That the previous year was eventful for me would be an gross understatement. The release of Joe Simon&#8217;s autobiography and the Captain America movie were key events. But on a &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4353">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With this month my blog has reached its sixth anniversary. That the previous year was eventful for me would be an gross understatement. The release of Joe Simon&#8217;s autobiography and the Captain America movie were key events. But on a more personal note was the publication of Titan&#8217;s &#8220;<em>Simon and Kirby Library: Crime&#8221;</em>. Joe and Jack&#8217;s work in that genre are among my favorites. While I have hopes that a second volume of Simon and Kirby crime might eventually see print it appears that my dream of working on my other favorite Simon and Kirby genre will not be fulfilled. Of course the most significant event of the past year was the passing of my friend, Joe Simon. Joe played a large roll in my life of the past decade or so and I miss him greatly. I realize that events arising from Joe&#8217;s passing has had a negative impact on my posting on this blog but I hope that has begun to change. There is so much more that I want to write about Simon and Kirby.</p>
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		<title>Jack Kirby&#8217;s Trips to the Fourth Dimension</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 19:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic Four #51 (June 1966) &#8220;This Man, This Monster&#8221; page 13, pencils by Jack Kirby, inks by Joe Sinnott, letters by Artie Simek, image from &#8220;Hands of Fire&#8221; I am currently reading Charles Hatfield&#8217;s &#8220;Hands of Fire&#8221;. I am sure &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4345">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/FF51_13.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4349" title="Fantastic Four #51" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/FF51_13.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="807" /></a><br />
Fantastic Four #51 (June 1966) &#8220;This Man, This Monster&#8221; page 13, pencils by Jack Kirby, inks by Joe Sinnott, letters by Artie Simek, image from &#8220;Hands of Fire&#8221;</p>
<p>I am currently reading Charles Hatfield&#8217;s &#8220;Hands of Fire&#8221;. I am sure I will write something about the book in the near future but I thought I would discuss one of the many items Hatfield touches upon. Fantastic Four #51 (June 1966) has the story &#8220;This Man, This Monster&#8221; in which Mr. Fantastic, Richard Reed, visits the Negative Zone. I do not have the original comic but I use instead a plate from Hatfield&#8217;s book which looks to me like it was scanned from the actual comic book. Note panel 3 where Reed exclaims:</p>
<blockquote><p>IT&#8217;S ALMOST MORE THAN HUMAN EYES CAN BEAR! I&#8217;M ACTUALLY WHITNESSING A FOUR DIMENSIONAL UNIVERSE &#8211; BUT THE EFFECT OF SEEING IT WITH THREE-DIMENSIONAL VISION IS INDESCRIBABLE</p></blockquote>
<p>But who needs words when we have Jack Kirby to provide an illustration. Off course even Kirby found it difficult to translate four dimensions into just two. The task might be theoretically impossible but the scene that Jack provides is clearly unlike any the reader has ever seen. In the next panel anything remotely naturalistic is replaced with abstract colors.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/FF51_14.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4348" title="Fantastic Four #51" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/FF51_14.jpg" alt="" width="451" height="650" /></a><br />
Fantastic Four #51 (June 1966) &#8220;This Man, This Monster&#8221; page 14, pencils by Jack Kirby, inks by Joe Sinnott, letters by Artie Simek, image from &#8220;Hands of Fire&#8221;</p>
<p>As &#8220;otherworldly&#8221; as the images from page 13, on the next page Kirby presents ultimate in non-reality. Here on the figure of Mr. Fantastic is drawn while the rest is a collage. Kirby was not the first to use photographs from magazines and newspapers in a comic book. However previous uses were rather mundane shortcuts to creating an image and nothing like the innovative collages that Kirby created. The image Jack constructed for page 14 is particularly effective. Photographs gain an acceptance as &#8220;truth&#8221; that a drawing does not provide. Sure our logical minds know that photographs really are not necessarily true, particularly today with software like Photoshop. However our emotional reaction still accepts photographs as depicting truth. Kirby plays off the photographic &#8220;truth&#8221; against an scenery that is obviously unreal. That tension is something that a drawing could never quite create.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/BlueBolt05_005.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4346" title="Blue Bolt #5" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/BlueBolt05_005.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="790" /></a><br />
Blue Bolt #5 (October 1940) page 5, pencils by Jack Kirby, inks by Joe Simon</p>
<p>Mr. Fantastic&#8217;s visit to the Negative Zone was not Kirby&#8217;s first depiction of the Fourth Dimension, not by a long shot. His earliest occurred in collaboration with Joe Simon in Blue Bolt #5 (October 1940). Blue Bolt enters the Fourth Dimension through a cylinder surrounded by the earliest example of Kirby Krackle (<a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/3997">Evolution of Kirby Krackle</a>). On entry the hero is presented with an &#8220;odd looking landscape&#8221; reminiscent of the effect found in Fantastic Four #51. Blue Bolt then finds he can see through objects and requires special goggles to see in three dimensions.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Alarming Tales #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/FourthDimension.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="672" /><br />
Alarming Tales #1 (September 1957) &#8220;The Fourth Dimension is a Many Splattered Thing&#8221;, pencils and inks by Jack Kirby</p>
<p>Kirby would return to the Fourth Dimension theme in an appropriately titled story &#8220;The Fourth Dimension is a Many Splattered Thing&#8221;. This work was done in collaboration with Joe Simon but after the breakup of their studio. Here Jack&#8217;s attempt to draw the indescribable result in some of the most unique images from his career.</p>
<p>Kirby had a long career as a comic book artist. It is surprising how certain themes show up repeated at different points in his career. The Fourth Dimension and Kirby Krackle are just two examples of this phenomenon. If it was just one or two incidences like this it would be easy to write it off as of not great significance. But actually there are many more examples that can be found (and I am sure I will post others from time to time). This signifies to me that Kirby was much more than an illustrator to the stories that he worked on. This is not to denigrate individuals like Joe Simon or Stan Lee for their contributions were also important.</p>
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		<title>Fan Letter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fan letters did not play a part in Simon and Kirby productions. That is not to say that fans did not write letters just that Simon and Kirby comic books did not include a letters section. I have never seen &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4336">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>Fan letters did not play a part in Simon and Kirby productions. That is not to say that fans did not write letters just that Simon and Kirby comic books did not include a letters section. I have never seen a fan letter to Simon and Kirby but obviously there were some because there does exist a letter that Joe wrote in response to one fan, Ronald. This letter was issued at a critical time. After the failure of Simon and Kirby&#8217;s work for Harvey (Stuntman and Boy Explorers Comics), Joe and Jack were forced to find whatever work they could. They ended up simultaneously working for two companies; Hillman (Clue, Real Clue, as well as some other titles) and Prize (Headline). This letter was written at the time that they stopped working for Hillman in order to devote themselves to Prize. Apparently the original fan letter was misplaced and only recovered Simon and Kirby were vacating Hillman.</p>
<p>American Boys&#8217; Comics Inc. was one of the names used by Prize Comics; Crestwood Publications and Feature Publications were two others. The name American Boys&#8217; Comics was used mostly during mid-forties but its use seems to have been discontinued not too long after Joe&#8217;s letter. However there was no change of address to accompany the name change.</p>
<p>Ronald must have been very pleased to receive this reply to his fan letter from Joe as he kept very good care of it. The paper has yellowed but the preservation is otherwise very good except for the remains of tape on the four corners. Ronald probably had taped into a scrapbook.</p>
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		<title>A Joe Simon Video</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Helping the Simon family has put my work on the next Titan addition to the Simon and Kirby library behind schedule. When there just does not seem enough time life seems to have a way of just making matters even &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4333">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>Helping the Simon family has put my work on the next Titan addition to the Simon and Kirby library behind schedule. When there just does not seem enough time life seems to have a way of just making matters even more difficult. Most of my writing for this blog is done during my lunch hour at work but recently I have had to put extra time on my job as well. I hope things will settle down to a more reasonable pace in the near future which will allow me to return to my more regular posting.</p>
<p>In the mean time above is a video of Joe Simon taken by Desert Wind Comics. Joe did signings for Desert Winds. I believe this video was made about a year before his passing.</p>
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		<title>Weird Mysteries</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959), art by George Tuska This post is not about some strange puzzle of comic book history but rather about a magazine of the name Weird Mysteries. The publisher was Pastime Publications but so far I &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4319">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesCover.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4328" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesCover.jpg" alt="" width="486" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959), art by George Tuska</p>
<p>This post is not about some strange puzzle of comic book history but rather about a magazine of the name Weird Mysteries. The publisher was Pastime Publications but so far I have not been able to identify any other title that publisher ever released. The indicia provides the publisher&#8217;s address which was in Holyoke Massachusetts. Holyoke was the home of a number of printers so the address was likely a convenience probably for a new publisher or one who wanted to hide their association with the title. Today the contents would seem quite tame but at that time there had been public protest about comic books and the Comic Book Authority had been formed a few years before to effectively censor comic book content from material not judged suitable for young readers. The contents of Weird Mysteries #1 would never had been accepted by Comic Book Authority but magazines did not fall under its jurisdiction. But a publisher of a magazine like Weird Mysteries might want to hide from any public scrutiny.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesIntroduction.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4327" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesIntroduction.jpg" alt="" width="487" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) Introduction, art by Carl Burgos</p>
<p>The introduction presents Morgue&#8217;n the magazine&#8217;s &#8220;monster of ceremoanies&#8221;. It is a fitting opening to a magazine of horror stories frequently with sarcastic content. The attribution of this piece is from the <a href="http://www.comics.org/">GCD</a>. Actually that is the source for all the credits that I provide in this post. My usually policy with the GCD is trust but verify. While I can verify some of the attributions there are others that I am not familiar enough to do so.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/JTTG01cover.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4326" title="Justice Traps the Guilty #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/JTTG01cover.jpg" alt="" width="446" height="652" /></a><br />
Justice Traps the Guilty #1 (October 1947), pencils by Jack Kirby</p>
<p>The introduction art for Weird Mysteries #1 clearly was swiped from the cover for Justice Traps the Guilty #1 (October 1947). I do not believe that this was a random choice. With the exception of one signed piece of art (discussed below) no credits were provided in Weird Mysteries #1 and to my knowledge nobody has previously suggested who put the magazine together. I believe it was Joe Simon. This is not at all a firm conclusion as it is based on circumstantial evidence. One piece of this circumstantial evidence is the swiping from the cover of JTTG #1. Such swiping was very common for Simon particularly at this period. All the artists that have been credited to work in WM #1 worked for Joe during this period.</p>
<p>Some other circumstantial evidence will be discussed below. To my mind the most significant support of Joe&#8217;s involvement is that he had possessed the flats for the entire contents of Weird Mysteries #1. Flats are proofs of the black art just as they would be printed (that is four pages to a sheet). Joe kept quite a number of flats but the majority of them were for comics that he had involvement of one kind or another. For instance he had flats for some of the Harvey comics that included Simon and Kirby material such as Stuntman and Boy Explorers. Joe even had the flats for the first issue of Captain America (now there is an untapped treasure). He also had flats for comics that he was the editor as, for instance, Race for the Moon. There are a some flats where I have found no evidence of Joe&#8217;s involvement (so far) but they are a small minority.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesRagman.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4325" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesRagman.jpg" alt="" width="498" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) &#8220;The Ragman&#8221;, art by George Tuska</p>
<p>Besides the cover art, George Tuska provided some interior stories for Weird Mysteries #1 as well. Tuska is, for me, the easiest artist to spot in this magazine. One of his most outstanding features of his comic book art style is the jutting jaws that he often provides to men which is very obvious in the scan I provide from &#8220;The Ragman&#8221;. If I am right that Weird Mysteries was Joe&#8217;s project than this would seem to be the first time that Tuska worked for Simon. George shortly help Joe with superhero work for Archie Comics (see <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/2571">Double Life of Private Strong, the Final Issue</a>).</p>
<p>Note the use of typesetting in place of hand lettering. Typesetting was used throughout the magazine. While I do not remember anything that Joe produced before this made use of typesetting, it became standard for the magazine Sick that Joe would begin to produce in the not too distant future (the first issue of Sick was cover dated August 1960).</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesFearToEternity.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4324" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesFearToEternity.jpg" alt="" width="472" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) &#8220;From Fear to Eternity&#8221;, art by Angelo Torres</p>
<p>I really not that familiar with Angelo Torres&#8217; work. This is largely due to the fact that I have not yet studied the long running Sick magazine where Torres is said to have done some work. But pieces like &#8220;From Fear to Eternity&#8221; seems a good match to art that I have seen attributed to Torres.</p>
<p>This might be a good time to mention the production of the original art. Line art in the magazine was inked in the typical method for comic books, that is through the use of pen or brush. The grey tones however were produced in a manner not normally found in comic books of the day. I am sure I will think of it later, but presently the name escapes for the special art boards used (the name was supplied by Mark Evanier in the comments, it is Craftint). When a special chemical was painted on the board grey tones emerged. These tones were not like water colors but rather consisted of small dots suitable for printing. This provided a cost and time saving method for producing the art. Again while Joe had not previously used this technique it was typical for the magazine Sick. Although we can not be certain, but the technique used to produce the art probably was the same as used for Sick. That is all the text and captions would be produced by typesetting and applied to the art board. The artist would in turn ink in the art and provide the gray tones after which it was camera ready.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesGoodDaughter.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4323" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesGoodDaughter.jpg" alt="" width="491" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) &#8220;A Good Daughter&#8221;, art by Joe Orlando</p>
<p>At this time Joe was also putting together art for Prize romance comics. One of the artist that he employed was Joe Orlando (see the <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/3047">Art of Romance, Chapter 37</a>).</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesShriekInNight.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4322" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesShriekInNight.jpg" alt="" width="482" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) &#8220;A Shriek in the Night&#8221;, art by Carl Burgos</p>
<p>Another piece that can be attributed to Carl Burgos. Carl met Joe quite early in their careers when Joe was just starting working in comic books and Carl already had his big hit, the Human Torch. Simon was Timely&#8217;s first editor but Burgos at least initially worked through the shop Funnies Inc. As far as I been able to determine Burgos did no work for Simon (with or without Kirby) until Race for the Moon #3 (November 1958) where he contributed two single page pieces (both titled &#8220;Report from Space&#8221;). Carl would also help Joe with layouts for the Adventures of the Fly (<a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/218">Burgos does the Fly</a>).</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesTwinBads.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4321" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesTwinBads.jpg" alt="" width="474" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) &#8220;Twin Bads&#8221;, art by Paul Reinman</p>
<p>&#8220;Twin Bads&#8221; is the only piece in Weird Mysteries signed by the artist. Paul was working for Joe at this time mostly for romances comics (see <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/category/serial-posts/art-of-romance">Art of Romance</a>, <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/3026">Chapter 36</a>, <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/3047">Chapter 37</a> and <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/3102">Chapter 38</a>) but he also did at least one story for the re-launched Black Magic (&#8220;The Night of August 9th&#8221;, BM #42, July 1960).</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesSick.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4320" title="Weird Mysteries #1" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WeirdMysteriesSick.jpg" alt="" width="494" height="650" /></a><br />
Weird Mysteries #1 (March 1959) &#8220;Sick Greeting Cards&#8221;, art by unidentified artist</p>
<p>I do not know the artist, but the two page work &#8220;Sick Greeting Cards&#8221; is another piece of circumstantial evidence linking Weird Mysteries #1 to Simon. A little over a year later Simon would create a new Mad clone that he would call Sick (<a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/183">The End of Simon and Kirby, Chapter 10</a>). Sick was filled with a sarcastic humor that in places appeared in Weird Mysteries #1, as for example &#8220;Sick Greeting Cards&#8221;.</p>
<p>So while I can provide no proof there is a bit of circumstantial evidence that Joe Simon was the editor of Weird Mysteries #1. If that is true than this horror magazine would be a sort of prototype for Sick. The indicia for Weird Mysteries #1 indicates it was supposed to be a bi-monthly title but there was no further issues. Two months is much too short a time for financial returns on the sale of the magazine so its cancellation much have been for other reasons.</p>
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		<title>A Small Mystery Solved</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Justice Traps the Guilty #60A (March 1954) pencils and inks by Marvin Stein There are many mysteries to be found in the history of comic books. Most are small mysteries, the type that might interest only a handful of fans, &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4267">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JTTG60A.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4270" title="Justice Traps the Guilty #60A" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JTTG60A.jpg" alt="" width="447" height="652" /></a><br />
Justice Traps the Guilty #60A (March 1954) pencils and inks by Marvin Stein</p>
<p>There are many mysteries to be found in the history of comic books. Most are small mysteries, the type that might interest only a handful of fans, but they are mysteries nonetheless. One that has puzzled me over the years is the Justice Traps the Guilty #60A issue. Why #60A and not just #60? Like I said, a small puzzle of that might concern only to the few fans that have an interest in the crime comics published by Prize Comics.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JTTG58.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4269" title="Justice Traps the Guilty #58" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JTTG58.jpg" alt="" width="454" height="652" /></a><br />
Justice Traps the Guilty #58 (January 1954) pencils and inks by Marvin Stein</p>
<p>JTTG issue #58 was dated January 1954. At the time JTTG was a monthly and therefore March 1954 was the proper month for issue #60, so again why the &#8216;A&#8217;? Prize also used volume numbering to identify their issues. JTTG #58 was volume 7 number 4 and JTTG #60A was volume 7 number 6. So JTTG #59 would expected to be volume 7 number 5 and dated February 1954.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JTTG60.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4268" title="Justice Traps the Guilty #60" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JTTG60.jpg" alt="" width="450" height="650" /></a><br />
Justice Traps the Guilty #60 (February 1954) pencils and inks by Marvin Stein</p>
<p>However I never saw a copy of JTTG #59 and, as it turns out, with good reason. When I finally found a JTTG dated as February 1954 is was issue #60 (without the &#8216;A&#8217;). The volume numbering was just as expected (volume 7 number 5) but it was not the expected issue #59. Apparently when the February comic was created it was mistakingly marked as issue #60. This error was recognized and corrected by assigning the March comic as #60A. That way all subsequent issues would be correctly numbered.</p>
<p>Yes it was a very small mystery indeed but I was still glad to find the solution. It also allowed me to complete the <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/category/comic-checklists/justice-traps-the-guilty">checklist to Justice Traps the Guilty</a>.</p>
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		<title>I&#8217;ll Be Back, Just Not Now</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For various reasons related to recent events I am not ready to return to normal posting at this time. Hopefully I will return to normal posting next week. Tweet]]></description>
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For various reasons related to recent events I am not ready to return to normal posting at this time. Hopefully I will return to normal posting next week.</p>
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		<title>Joe&#8217;s Dedications</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that I was digitally restoring comic book art before anyone else. I say that because I began when consumer scanners first became available. Having my own personal scanner opened up new possibilities. Previously I had used Photoshop to &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4232">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonBlackMagic.jpg"></a>I believe that I was digitally restoring comic book art before anyone else. I say that because I began when consumer scanners first became available. Having my own personal scanner opened up new possibilities. Previously I had used Photoshop to work on my fine arts printmaking. I would have to take my photographic slides to a commercial lab for scanning. It was inconvenient and expensive. After a week or so I would get back a Photo CD. These were special CDs for storing the scans, at the time there were no drives that could burn a standard CD. This was fine for slides, especially since I had no other choice, but having old comic books scanned by a commercial lab was completely out of the question. But when scanners became available to consumers I quickly realized their potential for comic book art restoration. Printers were a different problem as there were few color printers available and they way too expensive. Even the black and white laser printer I bought was a huge investment. But once I assembled these devices I began working on how to use Photoshop to restore the line art from the scans.</p>
<p>After some of what I would describe as trial work I started an ambitious project, to restore the line art for all the Simon and Kirby covers. When I look back I cannot believe decided to do that project. Not only would it require an incredible amount of work but also I did not have all the comics in my collection. It took a long time but I persevered. When I had restored all the covers I bound them by hand into books another time consuming project. In the end I had 24 sets of books (each set consisting of two volumes). Half of these went to Joe Simon for the help he supplied and because, well he was Joe Simon. Some sets went to various people for the scans they provided and a few went out as gifts. A lot of the covers were under copyright protection so it was never my plan to sell any copies and I might add I never have. I have no idea what these books are worth on the market because apparently the recipients valued them so much that none of the books have ever been offered for sale.</p>
<p>With those volumes completed I began to think of my next project. I was a little unhappy about only restoring the line art because comic books were meant to have color, or at least the comics during the period that Simon and Kirby were producing them. Fortunately by then color printers had become affordable. So I decided to begin restoring Simon and Kirby work in full color. This time restoring all the Simon and Kirby stories was not considered an option. It would be great if I succeeded in restoring everything but that would be way too many pages to accomplish in any reasonable amount of time. Once again I would hand bind restorations into books. The books would serve more than a personal purpose, we would use them to show publishers what could be done in the way of reprinting Simon and Kirby. This time I would only make two copies of whatever I restored, one for Joe and one for me. In exchange for his copy Joe would provide mine with some art. This was done on the end paper of the book. Now if Joe had just added pencil sketches there would be no problems since mistakes could be erased. But Joe liked to work in color which meant there was little that could be done with any errors.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonBullseye.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4249" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonBullseye.jpg" alt="" width="489" height="650" /></a><br />
Bullseye volume</p>
<p>What I expected Joe to provide would be the standard character sketches that comic book artists do all the time. Joe did just that sort of thing for the Bullseye book basing his piece on a drawing that Jack Kirby had done.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonReportingForDuty1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4248" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonReportingForDuty1.jpg" alt="" width="504" height="650" /></a><br />
Boy Commandos volume</p>
<p>While the Bullseye was a more traditional character drawing, all the others that Joe did incorporated elements of humor. Not necessarily of the side-splitting variety but you can tell he just was not satisfied with just providing a sketch.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonManhunter.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4246" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonManhunter.jpg" alt="" width="509" height="650" /></a><br />
Manhunter volume</p>
<p>Surprisingly Joe drew Sandman in a book of Manhunter stories. The accompanying texts suggest that this was not an accident.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonSandman.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4245" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonSandman.jpg" alt="" width="496" height="650" /></a><br />
Sandman volume</p>
<p>With Sandman appearing in the Manhunter book it is not too surprising that Manhunter appeared in the Sandman book. Once again the text indicates this was deliberately done.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonFoxhole1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4244" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonFoxhole1.jpg" alt="" width="513" height="650" /></a><br />
Foxhole volume</p>
<p>A soldier appears in the Foxhole volume but the text imply that this is not just any soldier but is meant to be Jack Kirby. All of Joe&#8217;s sketches were done on the end paper at the front of the book except this one which was done on the inside cover.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonFoxhole2.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4243" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonFoxhole2.jpg" alt="" width="502" height="650" /></a><br />
Foxhole volume</p>
<p>The Foxhole contained two sketches; a colored one on the inside cover (shown earlier) and a pencil sketch on the opposite end paper. This was the only book that got this double treatment as well as the only one dated. Usually Joe got the spelling of my name correctly but here he adds an extra &#8216;c&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonRoyalty.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4242" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonRoyalty.jpg" alt="" width="484" height="650" /></a><br />
Duke of Broadway and the Vagabond Prince volume</p>
<p>Years before the current debate about growing disparity between the rich and the 99%, Joe provided his irreverent solution, &#8220;Eat the Rich&#8221; indeed.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonNewsboy.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4241" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonNewsboy.jpg" alt="" width="491" height="650" /></a><br />
Newsboy Legion volume</p>
<p>Joe sometimes commented about how one youthful character would with minor changes be transformed into another.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonHeadline.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4240" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonHeadline.jpg" alt="" width="488" height="650" /></a><br />
Headline volume</p>
<p>I am not sure why Joe put Captain America in a book of crime stories. Perhaps he felt that his humor was not appropriate for the crime genre? But I am not one to complain about getting Captain America art from one of his creators.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonStuntman.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4239" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonStuntman.jpg" alt="" width="508" height="650" /></a><br />
Stuntman and Boy Explorers volume</p>
<p>I inadvertently put the cover on upside down for one of Stuntman and Boy Explorer books. Needless to say I was very annoyed at myself about this but there was no way I was going to give the flawed volume to Joe. With his art Joe turned this defective book into something special.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonWinAPrize.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4238" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonWinAPrize.jpg" alt="" width="511" height="650" /></a><br />
Win A Prize volume</p>
<p>Uncle Giveaway offered prizes to the readers of Win A Prize Comics. Here Joe jokes that money is just paper but there was none left because it all went to Iraq. Joe was a lifelong Republican but he did not like Bush and he felt the Iraq war was a mistake. I believe Joe was still the kind of Republican that was not that unusual when he was younger but today is pretty much extinct, a least on the national level, that is a moderate Republican. Joe was very proud of the work he did to support John D. Rockefeller and similar Republicans.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonAlarrmingTales.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4237" title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonAlarrmingTales.jpg" alt="" width="511" height="650" /></a><br />
Alarming Tales volume</p>
<p>A personal favorite because here I am depicted in the company of Joe Simon and Jack Kirby.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonBlackMagic.jpg"><img title="Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonBlackMagic.jpg" alt="" width="504" height="650" /></a><br />
Black Magic volume</p>
<p>Nobody would describe Joe as little and nobody that actually knew him would call him nasty. I never met Jack but nasty does not seem appropriate for him either. While not literally a portrait as far as I know this was the last time Joe drew himself with his old partner Jack.</p>
<p>I made a few more reprint volumes that Joe never added art to. I do not remember why that was but I am sure it was not due to any reluctance on Joe&#8217;s part. These final volumes were made about the time that negotiations had begun with Titan to reprint Simon and Kirby material. I think we both had other things on our minds. Now I treasure the volumes that Joe did provide his art and humor.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[New York Comic Con 2008 There already are numerous essays about Joe Simon&#8217;s life on the Internet written by people much more talented than me. The biggest problem for me is how to condense such a productive live into a &#8230; <a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/4213">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Joe_Harry.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4217" title="Joe Simon and Harry Mendryk" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Joe_Harry.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="419" /></a><br />
New York Comic Con 2008</p>
<p>There already are numerous essays about Joe Simon&#8217;s life on the Internet written by people much more talented than me. The biggest problem for me is how to condense such a productive live into a article short enough that people would actually read without leaving too many important things out. Perhaps I will give it a try later but I thought instead that I would provide a more personal narrative about Joe.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t count the time when I had him sign a Fighting American page of original art as the first time I met Joe Simon. That was at a Big Apple Con when it was held in the basement of St. Paul&#8217;s church. The noise level was so high and Joe&#8217;s hearing so poor that you could not have any real conversation with him. Still Joe was very kind to me and the other fans even though he was not making any money from us for his signings nor was he selling anything.</p>
<p>For me the first time I really got to meet Joe was at another Big Apple Con this time held at a convention room where you could actually have conversations. I was a big Simon and Kirby fan and had recently embarked on a project to digitally restore the line art to all the Simon and Kirby covers. It was an ambitious project to say the least and at that time I only had completed maybe fifty covers. I decided to make 11 by 14 inch prints of the three Champion covers for Joe and bring along the notebook of the rest of what I had done to show him. Hey what can I tell you, I was and still am a fanboy. When I gave him the Champion prints he stopped, looked at me and said &#8220;I am not mad or anything, but how did you manage to get a copy of my restoration of this cover, I just did it a couple of weeks ago&#8221;? I tried to explain that they were my own restorations and how I did it, but he was unconvinced and calmly repeated his question. We went around and around on this a couple more times with Carmine Infantino stepping in to try to explain to Joe what I was saying. But it was only when Joe began to notice the small differences between his recreation techniques and mine that he began to realize that it was just a coincidence. But during this whole exchange Joe was calm and friendly, I doubt I would have been if I had been convinced that someone had gotten a hold of my private work. Joe was interested in my project and I offered to give him copies of my restorations. Periodic visits to Joe&#8217;s apartment followed as I continued to do line art restorations of Simon and Kirby covers.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonEvanier.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4216" title="Mark Evanier and Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SimonEvanier.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="340" /></a><br />
Joe with Mark Evanier signing Mark&#8217;s book &#8220;Kirby: King of Comics&#8221;</p>
<p>Joe was not anything like I expected him to be. If I were to condense the stories I had previously heard it would come down to that Joe was always claiming credit for what others, usually Jack Kirby, had done. All I can say is that this is not the Joe I came to know. For my visits I always brought Joe copies of my latest restorations. I was very interested in what Joe would have to say about them. You could tell Joe enjoyed viewing them very much. He would often make comments like &#8220;I had forgotten about that cover&#8221;. During the viewings Joe would frequently remark on how talented Jack Kirby was. But it was rare for Joe to say that he, not Jack, had done a particular cover. My experience was that when he took credit for some work he was almost always right. During this time Joe became involved in a lawsuit with Marvel over Captain America copyrights. On the Internet comic fans were often very critical of Joe for doing this, saying that Joe was unfairly trying to exclude Kirby from any credit. However I remember a diner I had with Joe and Carmine Infantino. Joe would not go into any details about any possible settlement with Marvel, but he did say that as part of any agreement Marvel would have to add to the Captain America comics a &#8220;created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby&#8221; byline. The details of his settlement that eventually was reached with Marvel were kept confidential but I do not think it was a coincidence that shortly afterwards Marvel began to include creator credits to Simon and Kirby in their Captain America comics.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Dick Ayers and Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/con2008ayerssimon.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="395" /><br />
Dick Ayers with Joe and New York Comic Con 2008</p>
<p>I have rarely read an interview of Joe Simon that I thought was any good. Not only were Joe&#8217;s answers generally not very informative but they also did not seem to lead the interview along. The Joe presented by these interviews turned out to be another example that was very different from the Joe I got to know from my visits. In this case I feel I understand why the interviews were so unsuccessful. During my initial visits I would ask Joe questions about specific covers or about other detailed issues that I as a fanboy was interested in. But Joe never seemed able to provide answers. The problem was not that Joe was trying to conceal anything nor did he have a bad memory. In fact I found his memory to be quite excellent. Joe could remember the address of the various places he worked. He could even remember the address of a store he used to buy his cigars back in the 50&#8242;s. However Joe&#8217;s memory was good for the things he was interested and that generally was not the same as the things that a comic aficionado wanted to know. I soon found that I learned more if I just provided copies of work and just let Joe respond as he wanted. When I asked questions I would keep them general. Not that it always worked, but sometimes it would get Joe into telling stories. Joe was a natural, he told great stories. Carmine Infantino once said to me that Joe was one of the best comic book writers, he just did not get the credit for it that he deserved. If you never had the opportunity to hear Joe telling stories then I suggest reading his book &#8220;The Comic Book Makers&#8221; or the more recent &#8220;My Life In Comics&#8221;. But do not read like a comic fan for its history, read it for what it is, a collection of stories. Do not look for what you want instead just follow Joe&#8217;s tales. That is not to say that there is not a wealth of information in these stories. However I will say that if you try to mine his stories for information you should remember one of Joe&#8217;s sayings, &#8220;never let facts get in the way of a good story&#8221;.</p>
<p>There was one glaring exception to all too often poor interviews of Joe, the one done by Jim Amash for Alter Ego #76. Now much can be said about what a great interviewer Jim is. Amash has many qualities that help to make his work with Joe and other comic artists so successful. His wide knowledge of the subject and experience from years of conducting interviews to name just two. But Jim also had a something special going for him, he was Joe&#8217;s friend. During many hours over the telephone Joe opened up to Jim in a way that he only would with a friend. Joe would often grumble to me about how much time he was spending on this interview with Jim but that was all bluff. I could tell how much Joe was enjoying it and Joe never did anything he did not want to. If you want to get some idea about what Joe was really like I can think of no better source than Amash&#8217;s interview.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Jerry Robinson and Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/SimonComicCon.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="366" /><br />
Jerry Robison greeting Joe at New York Comic Con of 2005</p>
<p>Some consider Joe more that of a businessman then as an artist. When I was first getting to know him I sometimes felt that he wanted to believe that also. But even if he did it still was not true. Joe&#8217;s response to the cover restorations were always artistic. Sometimes he would suggest ways that the cover could be improved. A figure should placed further from the motorcycle it was leaping from. A different color should have been used in a particular spot. Sometimes Joe would make copies of original art in sections that he would then have to recombine. I watched him once start to use acrylic paint to retouch one of these to hide the edges between the sections. That is what he started to do but Joe ended up redoing much of the art itself. Joe had intended to make a reduced size copy of the original art and ended making a new version of it. One time Joe copied a piece of original art from his old magazine Sick. The art showed a giraffe with rabbit ear antennas coming out of its head. Joe was concerned that today few would know what the rabbit ears were so he retouched it replacing them with a satellite dish antenna. When I arrived once for a visit Joe told me that recently he had been taking xerox copies of one of his drawings of Captain America and hand painting them. Joe said that somehow he found this very relaxing. Sure enough I was able to look through a pile of these Cap pieces, all the same yet each one unique.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/BigApple2005Morehouse.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4215" title="Tom Morehouse and Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/BigApple2005Morehouse.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="550" /></a><br />
Tom Morehouse and Joe with the original cover art for Police Trap #2</p>
<p>I helped Joe at a number of comic conventions which gave me an opportunity to see Joe interact with comic book fans. At one Joe walked around the tables talking with various comic book artists. He was always quick to provide complements when he saw anything he liked. But even though some were showing pieces of Captain America, I got the feeling that none recognized who they were talking to. At the next show Joe did a similar tour of the artists but this time the artists would often realize at some point who Joe was. It was always amusing to see a comic artist turn from being a professional to just another fanboy. If they had a camera, they always wanted their photograph to be taken with Joe. He treated regular fans well also. At the shows Joe was promoting his reprinted edition of &#8220;The Comic Book Makers&#8221;. Joe would prepare some copies with a full color work of Captain America inside that would be sold at the show. Joe would also do quick sketches of Cap in books at the show. Yes Joe made money for this work but many of them immediately ended up on eBay where they were sold for up to twice what Joe charged. Joe was well aware of this but it did not bother him at all. Like most artists Joe was happy to sign what ever the fans brought. One fan had an unfinished drawing with a large stain on it. Joe said he remembered it but that he threw it away uncompleted because he spilled coffee over it. Someone had fished it out of the garbage and sold it on eBay. Joe chuckled about what had occurred, was a bit surprised that anyone would value such a damaged and unfinished piece, but he was happy to signed it.</p>
<p><a href="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/BigApple2005SpurlockThomasSimon.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4214" title="J. David Spurlock, Joe Simon and Roy Thomas" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/BigApple2005SpurlockThomasSimon.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="522" /></a><br />
J. David Spurlock, Joe and Roy Thomas at the 2005 Big Apple Con</p>
<p>Joe had a certain irrelevant humor about comics and even himself. When a major comic publisher sent him a royalty check for fifty cents, Joe framed it with a doctored picture of himself. To the picture Joe added a cup, scruffy hair and an eye patch transforming himself into a street beggar. During one of his legal battles over Captain America copyrights Marvel threaten to kill off the character. Joe proceeded with the help of his daughter Gail to paint a version of Leonardo&#8217;s Last Supper replacing Jesus with Captain America and the disciples with various super heroes. The meal itself was populated with numerous modern products. Joe had a penchant for cutting off pieces of his hair, adding them to a photograph of himself and then making from this a xerox. He would say he wanted to improve the look of his hair, but you could tell he knew full well how ridiculous the final results looked.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Stan Lee and Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/con2008simonlee.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="375" /><br />
Joe and Stan Lee at the 2008 New York Comic Con</p>
<p>I only got to know Joe during the final years of his life but I did get to see at first hand a change in how Joe was perceived by the public. Earlier it often seemed that when Joe was not being ignored by comic fans, he was being abused by them. Joe once commented about a Kirby list on the Internet was that &#8220;they all hate me&#8221;. While that was not strictly true it was not all that far off from the mark either. Our attempts to get a publisher interested in reprinting Simon and Kirby work all seemed to fail, they just were not interested enough. When Joe was remembered by comic book fans at all, they usually viewed him as the one who handled all the business while Kirby took care of all the art. Over the years and little by little this neglect by the public began to change. I like to think I played my small part in making that change happen. Joe lived to hear Stan Lee describe seeing him draw Captain America alongside Jack Kirby, what a wonderful artist he was and how Joe was his mentor. And to read Neil Gaiman praising him as a great writer in the introduction to the Superheroes volume of Titan&#8217;s Simon and Kirby Library. Joe never made a big deal about these and other praise that he began to receive but I could tell it was very gratifying to him. Finally a publisher, Titan, was found with the foresight to begin reprinting some of the Simon and Kirby work. I saw first hand how excited he was to see the initial volumes that have been released by Titan. Unfortunately there was a negative consequence to this change as Joe lived to see others rush to reprint material before Titan could get it out so that once again Simon and Kirby would be exploited by a publisher. I will say that once Joe realized that this publisher would not be swayed by appeals to fairness he became very philosophical about the matter and did not let himself be upset about it. His final year was a particularly good one for Joe. During that time he saw the publication of his autobiography &#8220;My Life In Comics&#8221; and the release of the Captain America movie. Both of these gave him much pleasure.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Steve Saffel, Joe Simon and two grand-daughters" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/SimonNYCC1.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="442" /><br />
Steve Saffel, Joe and two grand-daughters at 2011 New York Comic Con</p>
<p>I could go on writing about Joe Simon. After all I have been writing about Simon and Kirby in this blog for almost six years. But I fear I have already been rambling too long in this post. Joe was important figure in the history of comic books, truly a legend. It has been my great fortune to have been able to get to know the man behind that legend, to work with him and to be his friend.</p>
<p><img title="Jerry Robinson and Joe Simon" src="http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/con2008robinsonsimon.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="366" /><br />
Jerry Robinson and Joe at the 2008 New York Comic Con</p>
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