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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s A Crime, Chapter 9, Not The Same</title>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ger,

Although personally I doubt that the splash for the &quot;Hip Sing Tong&quot; story was by Kirby I can see where you are coming from. But I credit the story art to John Severin (and no I will not try to provide an inking credits). Check out the faces provided to Agent Hartley. They seem to have the square jaw and smile that was so typical of Severin. Although the story has a Charlie Chan aspect I do not believe Infantino had anythng to do with it. This is not surprising because Infantino last work for S&amp;K was about 5 months previous and he as said that he that the only work he did was S&amp;K was Charlie Chan.

As I said in my post, traces of Studio style inking can be found in Donahue&#039;s art. As I said currently I believe this was due to Donahue&#039;s art being touched up by Joe or Jack. For whatever reason, Donahue seemed to get more of this treatment then any other artist employed by S&amp;K.

I think I&#039;ll have to disagree also on Starr for &quot;Unlucky in Crime&quot;.

&quot;Rat Trap&quot; is certainly intriging. I do not know if I see Broderick in it but I certainly doubt that Meskin inked it. while the picket fence crosshatching is similar to that used by Meskin the inking on a whole does not. Most significantly it lacks the cloth folds made of close parallel lines that so typical of Mort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ger,</p>
<p>Although personally I doubt that the splash for the &#8220;Hip Sing Tong&#8221; story was by Kirby I can see where you are coming from. But I credit the story art to John Severin (and no I will not try to provide an inking credits). Check out the faces provided to Agent Hartley. They seem to have the square jaw and smile that was so typical of Severin. Although the story has a Charlie Chan aspect I do not believe Infantino had anythng to do with it. This is not surprising because Infantino last work for S&#038;K was about 5 months previous and he as said that he that the only work he did was S&#038;K was Charlie Chan.</p>
<p>As I said in my post, traces of Studio style inking can be found in Donahue&#8217;s art. As I said currently I believe this was due to Donahue&#8217;s art being touched up by Joe or Jack. For whatever reason, Donahue seemed to get more of this treatment then any other artist employed by S&#038;K.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll have to disagree also on Starr for &#8220;Unlucky in Crime&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rat Trap&#8221; is certainly intriging. I do not know if I see Broderick in it but I certainly doubt that Meskin inked it. while the picket fence crosshatching is similar to that used by Meskin the inking on a whole does not. Most significantly it lacks the cloth folds made of close parallel lines that so typical of Mort.</p>
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		<title>By: Ger Apeldoorn</title>
		<link>http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/1615/comment-page-1#comment-11946</link>
		<dc:creator>Ger Apeldoorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More... Rat Trap! in Headline #38 has long intrigued me. It looks as if the splash page has ben reworked. Lots of studio inking. Loking wih fresh eyes I&#039;d say it looks like a Broderick story inked by Meskin and Roussos. Some clear Roussos touches, but some of the picket fence inking is not in his style at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More&#8230; Rat Trap! in Headline #38 has long intrigued me. It looks as if the splash page has ben reworked. Lots of studio inking. Loking wih fresh eyes I&#8217;d say it looks like a Broderick story inked by Meskin and Roussos. Some clear Roussos touches, but some of the picket fence inking is not in his style at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ger Apeldoorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ger Apeldoorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing... Unlucky in crime seems like Leonard Starr&#039;s work to me.... with some added inks in several places, including the splash. After that I&#039;d say The Threat of the Clan could be Infantino plus Broderick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing&#8230; Unlucky in crime seems like Leonard Starr&#8217;s work to me&#8230;. with some added inks in several places, including the splash. After that I&#8217;d say The Threat of the Clan could be Infantino plus Broderick.</p>
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		<title>By: Ger Apeldoorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ger Apeldoorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You show the Donahue story Death of A Menace in Headline #37, but didn&#039;t mention the additional inking in this story. Donahue had a very thin line. In this story there is a lot of additional inking, for instance in the jacket of the man on panel five on page three, the bed sheats on page five or even the shadow arc and shadows on the ground on the splash page. Studio inking? What does that mean for Simon and Kirby&#039;s involvement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You show the Donahue story Death of A Menace in Headline #37, but didn&#8217;t mention the additional inking in this story. Donahue had a very thin line. In this story there is a lot of additional inking, for instance in the jacket of the man on panel five on page three, the bed sheats on page five or even the shadow arc and shadows on the ground on the splash page. Studio inking? What does that mean for Simon and Kirby&#8217;s involvement?</p>
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		<title>By: Ger Apeldoorn</title>
		<link>http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/archives/1615/comment-page-1#comment-11942</link>
		<dc:creator>Ger Apeldoorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally had a chance to get my books out. What do you make of The Secret Rackets of Hip Sing Tong? In Headline #36? I&#039;d say it&#039;s a Charlie Chan-like mis of Kirby on splash and Infantino on the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally had a chance to get my books out. What do you make of The Secret Rackets of Hip Sing Tong? In Headline #36? I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s a Charlie Chan-like mis of Kirby on splash and Infantino on the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ger,

That is why I called it a tentative conclusion. But it is reasonable that the directive came from the publisher. While S&amp;K would make proposal for new titles, there is nothing to suggest, nor would it be expected, that they had anything to do with publication policies. Nor would they have anything to gain by paying their artists less. Their arrangement with Prize for the romance titles meant that they paid the artists and shared in the profits. But Joe describe that arrangement as unique and one that actually was not a good idea unless, as it turned out, the romance titles sold real well. There is nothing to suggest that S&amp;K had a similar deal with Prize for the crime comics. Also Prize used the &quot;made on the cheap&quot; policy on other titles that Joe and Jack had nothing, at least initially, to do with.

I did not include the works that Stallman did with Guinta in my analysis of Stallman&#039;s multiple styles. The stories I discussed were all signed by Stallman alone and were not in the same style as the Guinta/Stallman stories. If the explanation you are offering is that Stallman was adopting his inking style for different pencillers then effectively you are saying that Stallman used ghost artists. All the stories I am talking about were signed by Stallman alone.

I am familiar with Prize Comics Western, in fact I mentioned it when discussing John Severin in this post. And I am not surprised that Draut did not appear in it because, as I wrote, S&amp;K did not seem to have anything to do with it other then providing a couple of covers.

Unfortunately I am only familiar with the work Krigstein did for Simon and Kirby and therefore I am not in a position to judge who inked him.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ger,</p>
<p>That is why I called it a tentative conclusion. But it is reasonable that the directive came from the publisher. While S&#038;K would make proposal for new titles, there is nothing to suggest, nor would it be expected, that they had anything to do with publication policies. Nor would they have anything to gain by paying their artists less. Their arrangement with Prize for the romance titles meant that they paid the artists and shared in the profits. But Joe describe that arrangement as unique and one that actually was not a good idea unless, as it turned out, the romance titles sold real well. There is nothing to suggest that S&#038;K had a similar deal with Prize for the crime comics. Also Prize used the &#8220;made on the cheap&#8221; policy on other titles that Joe and Jack had nothing, at least initially, to do with.</p>
<p>I did not include the works that Stallman did with Guinta in my analysis of Stallman&#8217;s multiple styles. The stories I discussed were all signed by Stallman alone and were not in the same style as the Guinta/Stallman stories. If the explanation you are offering is that Stallman was adopting his inking style for different pencillers then effectively you are saying that Stallman used ghost artists. All the stories I am talking about were signed by Stallman alone.</p>
<p>I am familiar with Prize Comics Western, in fact I mentioned it when discussing John Severin in this post. And I am not surprised that Draut did not appear in it because, as I wrote, S&#038;K did not seem to have anything to do with it other then providing a couple of covers.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I am only familiar with the work Krigstein did for Simon and Kirby and therefore I am not in a position to judge who inked him.</p>
<p>Harry</p>
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		<title>By: Ger Apeldoorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ger Apeldoorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice overview with some extreme conclusions. It&#039;s not that I would disagree with the idea that Simon and Kirby were asked to provide a cheaper version of the crime titles, it&#039;s just that I can&#039;t see any proof for it. It may very well have been their own decision. Same with the idea that Stallman was using assistants. The only thing that is known, is that he frequently worked with John Giunta, with I had understood that they both signed those stories. It seems to me that Stallman was an artist with a very adaptable style. If he was working with different pencillers, one would have to see a constant in the inking. If he was wokring with different inkers, one would see a constant in that (as is the case with the work of Mike Sekowsky). To my eyes Second Fiddle looks very much like Stallman&#039;s earliest work, doiwn to the small scribbled signature.

Belfi seems to have been such an artist, who used kids fresh from collage for penciling and inked/finished the rest himself. Severin graduated when he startted to work with Bill Elder, but that was probably over in the other western title of Prize, Prize Comic Western. Are you familiar with this title? Maybe of the artists overlap, including Severin, Belfi, Donahue, Briefer and Stein... but strangely not Draut.

Bernie Krigstein did indeed only do two stories for S&amp;K. Greg Sadowsky states in the big Fantagraphics reprint book that Krigstein must have inked the Vidocq story himself, since he saved the stats and he only saved stats of stories he inked himself. I have always suspected it was inked by someone else, maybe Dick Briefr. Maybe you can go back and have a look. Could it be Broderick or who-ever inked Broderick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice overview with some extreme conclusions. It&#8217;s not that I would disagree with the idea that Simon and Kirby were asked to provide a cheaper version of the crime titles, it&#8217;s just that I can&#8217;t see any proof for it. It may very well have been their own decision. Same with the idea that Stallman was using assistants. The only thing that is known, is that he frequently worked with John Giunta, with I had understood that they both signed those stories. It seems to me that Stallman was an artist with a very adaptable style. If he was working with different pencillers, one would have to see a constant in the inking. If he was wokring with different inkers, one would see a constant in that (as is the case with the work of Mike Sekowsky). To my eyes Second Fiddle looks very much like Stallman&#8217;s earliest work, doiwn to the small scribbled signature.</p>
<p>Belfi seems to have been such an artist, who used kids fresh from collage for penciling and inked/finished the rest himself. Severin graduated when he startted to work with Bill Elder, but that was probably over in the other western title of Prize, Prize Comic Western. Are you familiar with this title? Maybe of the artists overlap, including Severin, Belfi, Donahue, Briefer and Stein&#8230; but strangely not Draut.</p>
<p>Bernie Krigstein did indeed only do two stories for S&amp;K. Greg Sadowsky states in the big Fantagraphics reprint book that Krigstein must have inked the Vidocq story himself, since he saved the stats and he only saved stats of stories he inked himself. I have always suspected it was inked by someone else, maybe Dick Briefr. Maybe you can go back and have a look. Could it be Broderick or who-ever inked Broderick?</p>
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